tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27428751.post7409595384054388781..comments2023-08-04T10:40:54.432-03:00Comments on nongames.com: Lessons from other media: addressing different levels of literacyChico Queirozhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01285547874562596857noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27428751.post-20093111577838305322007-09-03T09:02:00.000-03:002007-09-03T09:02:00.000-03:00Hello Troy! Thanks for clarifying the story behind...Hello Troy! Thanks for clarifying the story behind Civ.<BR/><BR/>Incidentally, I haven´t played Bioshock yet, so I still don´t know why people are loving it so much. From the trailers I´ve seen, it looks like a good shooter. In fact, I have a friend who has played and has no idea why people like it so much either. Some reviews are calling it revolutionary, so I should check it out.<BR/><BR/>As for the titles you suggest, I guess you´re saying that WoW is the equivalent to Citizen Kane (which is a valid comparison), and that Doom is like, say, The Jazz Singer? In fact, this could be a more accurate parallel than the first one.<BR/><BR/>Thank you for commenting!Chico Queirozhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01285547874562596857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27428751.post-75431242971471993972007-09-01T03:15:00.000-03:002007-09-01T03:15:00.000-03:00Actually, Civ wasn't adapted from the boardgame at...Actually, Civ wasn't adapted from the boardgame at all. Work was well underway on the computer game before Meier was even aware there was such a game (which is very different from the Civ we know.) Microprose bought the rights to the name to avoid legal issues, but not the right to adapt the board game, something Avalon Hill did in 1995.<BR/><BR/>Now for the post. Very few games I think expect any literacy beyond what is presented on the surface. I think one reason Bioshock is such a critical hit is because it does touch on things that other shooters haven't (Randian philosophy, period art, period music.)<BR/><BR/>As for whether gaming has a Citizen Kane, we have ask what that even means. If you mean a game that changed how the craft was done, for good and for ill, I'd probably go with Doom. If you mean a game that has become a cultural touchstone beyond the movie itself, I'd say World of Warcraft.Troy Goodfellowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02891972271809557897noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27428751.post-73809389370700581512007-08-31T12:03:00.000-03:002007-08-31T12:03:00.000-03:00Corvus: Sure, this is a valid (and fun) exercise, ...Corvus: Sure, this is a valid (and fun) exercise, even if not 100% accurate.<BR/><BR/>Chris: Good point on Civ.<BR/><BR/>Hum... What about The Sims, then?Chico Queirozhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01285547874562596857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27428751.post-74704099771126618092007-08-31T11:59:00.000-03:002007-08-31T11:59:00.000-03:00Definitely not Civilisation - not only a niche app...Definitely not Civilisation - not only a niche appeal, but an adaptation of a boardgame... surely not our poster child. ;)<BR/><BR/>Now Elite, *sigh*, there lie happy memories. But too old, perhaps, to stand it good stead.Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07550565723765898399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27428751.post-65288834330493148222007-08-31T11:17:00.000-03:002007-08-31T11:17:00.000-03:00I'm not sure whether to take myself seriously or n...I'm not sure whether to take myself seriously or not, either.<BR/><BR/>But I think it's a mistake not to examine every extremely influential game to see if it qualifies or not. If nothing else, the discussion it generates is worth it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27428751.post-9787995879705970002007-08-31T09:48:00.000-03:002007-08-31T09:48:00.000-03:00Chris: I´m not sure if Tetris would serve our need...Chris: I´m not sure if Tetris would serve our needs. To me, it feels much more like practicing and developing a (very simple, in principle) set of skills than being 'game-literate'. Don´t get the wrong idea - I love Tetris. But I don´t see any hidden depths that could be explored by experienced players. If Tetris appeals to casual and hardcore, I would say that´s because it has a great game flow, that makes it challenging and continuously interesting to anyone. Hum... so maybe you´re right, after all. But in a different way than proposed in my post. <BR/><BR/>Tetris is a fantastic case, isn´t it?<BR/><BR/>Corvus: I´m not sure Tetris would be our Citizen Kane. Tetris is the perfect hand-eye coordination game, refining to perfection a concept that existed since Pong. I believe Citizen Kane was more about pushing limits and creating a language that was more than a filmed stage play. <BR/><BR/>"Civilization" maybe? or "Elite", for some?<BR/><BR/>Thank you both for the comments!Chico Queirozhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01285547874562596857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27428751.post-1486527645356976742007-08-30T15:40:00.000-03:002007-08-30T15:40:00.000-03:00At last night's IGDA meeting someone broke out the...At last night's IGDA meeting someone broke out the ol' "Where is our Citizen Kane" chestnut and I responded, "Hell, <I>Tetris</I> is our Citizen Kane."<BR/><BR/>People laughed, but didn't know whether to take me seriously or not.<BR/><BR/>I'm still debating on what title to suggest in response to your post, Chico...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27428751.post-48641409747604534092007-08-30T13:06:00.000-03:002007-08-30T13:06:00.000-03:00Tetris is an obvious choice. Its 1.5 dimensional c...Tetris is an obvious choice. Its 1.5 dimensional control scheme is so simple that some people don't think of it as a game in order to maintain their claim that they don't play games. :)<BR/><BR/>It sold 33 million on the Gameboy. It's probably been played more than any other videogame in historyChrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07550565723765898399noreply@blogger.com